From: Spiritpathpress@a... Date: Sun Oct 8, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: Antique Points A while back someone asked about the antique points and their usage. Though Worsley lists these in his point book no usage was ascribed to them at TAI. when I went through school. The information in the teaching manual about them was negligable and I've never met a person in JR's tradition that could discuss their application under the formulation of "antique points" past saying "they are a helpful tool for devising seasonal treatments." Obviously these are the element points on each mridian and, as such, would constitute the means by which patients are treated in relation to the seasons. My understanding of these points is that, as qi flows from the periphery toward the center (elbows and knees) the flow of the qi becomes increasingly deep. Subsequently, more proximal points treat "deeper" issues both in terms of body depth, depth of official (mind/body/spirit), and seriousness of illness. I haven't taken the time to discern if this theory (if Ive stated it correctly) is congruent with my experience in clinical practice but my intuition is that it would be. In my way of understanding, and upon first thought, the first point (nail point) stimulates the nervous system and conciousness. If you want someone to get a message at the level of conciousness the nail point will put it there. If someone is going through a Law of Cure reaction the nail point will help assure that they learn the lesson from what is being rleased (this according to my interpretation of a lecture by J. Yuen). The second point on each meridian (particulalry the yang meridians) calm the NS and have a rather relaxing and hypnotic effect (needle them gently). The Nervous system (according to Dr. Shen's 4 systems theory (See: Dragon Rises Red Bird Flys CH 13)) is the outer most level of qi and is the fastest changing. Therefore, the first and second points deal with the NS. The 3rd point proximal is the source point and earth point on all yin meridians. This point ties all function to the primordial influences defined by yuanqi. On the yang meridians this point corresponds to wood. These points Shen says correspond to the circulatory system. From the standpoint of the yin meridinas I can say this so. Ht-7, Lu-9, and LV-3 imparticularly may be thought of as the three primairy command points for stabalizing respiration, the heart beat, and the circulation of qi. The 4th point treats the digestive system. These points are the fire (yang Meridians) and metal points (yin meridians). Other than conjuring an image of fire under a pot I couldn't say how these relate specifacly to digestion (Will? Rory?). The 5th point relates to the organ system as the deepest store of jing for the functions of all other officials and systems. These points, at the knees and elbows are the water points (yin meridians) and earth points (yang meridians). Water and Earth are the two sources of the innate (water, yin, jing) and acquiered (earth, yang, acquiered jing) constitutions. I am probably conflating Shen's usage of the 4 systems as layers of energy with whatever JR thought he meant by "antique points". However, I hope this may serve others to provoke further thought on the subject. Peace, Lon